Re: [Cooker] mozilla firefox 1.5 and dependencies

[Laurent Suchet]

David Boles a écrit :

> Tim and Adam,
>
> This is NOT a flame war nor do I wish to make light of anyones work and
> efforts. I am sure that Frederic Crozat put a lot of work into this project.
> This is just to point out a PUBLIC fact.
>
> You guys need to chill out.
>
> The (generic) Firefox 1.5 from Mozilla works very well in Mandriva 2006 and in
> current Cooker. But the Mozilla release is a tar.gz and not a Mandriva.rpm
> which requires a little more, but not much more, than a 'mouse click on the
> filename in the GUI' to install. Fedora Core 4 (the old release) has a Firefox
> 1.5 that installs and works. Fedora Core 5-test (the cooker of Fedora Core)
> has a Firefox 1.5 that installs and works. And BOTH of these Fedora Core rpms
> install and work in Mandriva 2006 and Mandriva cooker. No hacks. No slashes.
> No 'Mandrake the Magician' magic. Just install and use.
>
> It has already been announced that there will never be a Firefox 1.5 for any
> of the 'old Mandrivas' like there is for the 'old Fedora Core 4'. It took 2
> months after Mozilla released the Firefox 1.5 for (generic)linux, Windows, and
> Mac for the Firefox 1.5 Mandriva to appear in Cooker. Approximately seven
> weeks after Fedora Core. And Mandriva Firefox 1.5 is still not installable or
> usable because of dependencies.
>
> Oh. And by the way. There is a Thunderbird RC-1 for both Fedora Core 4 and
> Fedora Core 5-test.
>
> Think about it. Firefox 1.5 for Windows, Mac and any other linux for two
> months. Why would he ask - When Firefox 1.5 for Mandriva?
>  
I think that the interesting question is that to avoid repetition of 
similar libraries, there is a pyramidal structure where one lib is used 
by many programs...

That is fine, but if you want to install only Galeon or for my example 
Avidemux you MUST install firefox (and the good version...).  So you 
must have 2 browsers even if you want to use only one... Or you must 
recompile the original sources that is not a very user-friendly way to 
say to windows users to choose Mandriva..

Isn't it possible to separate things?

For example avidemux needs in fact Spidermonkey javascript engine from 
mozilla, which is find in Firefox packages.... Isn't it possible to make 
a real library based install ? Separate generic libs from mandriva 
package to enable more compatibility ?

I think it is a serious question and not only a flame one...
It means also to my point of vue that if the actual system is 
maintained, all the dependant packages must be proposed at the same 
time... to avoid confusion.... Even if some packages are not in 'main' 
but perhaps in 'contrib' or 'plf'....

There is a big deal for Linux with this sort of problem, as it is 
specific to Linux.

I remember some discussions here when FF 1.5 was just out, and some 
people said that it was not a priority to integrate it in cooker...
I don't agree with it... It's sure that it is not a Mandriva product but 
if Mandriva wants to be seriously considered it must be reactive... FF 
is not a confidential product used by only 3 people in the world... It 
is the second alternative browser behind IE.....

To finish what means:

"   44/131: mozilla-firefox       
#############################################
cp: ne peut évaluer 
`/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.5/chrome/installed-chrome.txt': Aucun 
fichier ou répertoire de ce type
cp: ne peut évaluer 
`/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.5/chrome/installed-chrome.txt': Aucun 
fichier ou répertoire de ce type
cat: installed-chrome.txt: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type"

And effectively Bookmarks, and other things mentionned precedently 
doesn't work as well...

LS